Roger Waters zo skupiny Pink Floyd
Na rozdiel od gitaristu skupiny Davida Gilmoura, (ktorého adoptovaný syn má ženu Ukrajinku) a ktorý s kolegami najnovšie zverejnil propagandistické video na podporu Ukrajiny ( tu, odporúčam len na lačný žalúdok) sa Waters angažuje aktívne v mierovom hnutí.
Tu je jeho korešpodencia z FB s Alinou z Ukrajiny (pravdepodobne vymyslená, ukrajinskými propagandistami vytvorená mladá žena), ktorá ho požiadala o verejnú podporu Ukrajiny:
[...]
Poď, Alina, pomôž mi. Verím, že si skutočne 19-ročná Ukrajinka, ktorá študovala moju prácu. Takže vieš, kto som, a vieš, že som tu pre teba. Takže koniec vyšetrovania. Hovor so mnou. Čo tak neutrálna Ukrajina? Je naozaj lepšie byť mŕtvou mladou ženou s mŕtvou mačkou a mŕtvymi priateľmi po boji na život a na smrť, ako byť živou mladou ženou v stabilnej pokojnej neutrálnej krajine, akou je napríklad Rakúsko, Fínsko či Švajčiarsko? Predstav si život na neutrálnej Ukrajine. Oslobodení od nenásytných firemných "výdobytkov" cudzích impérií? Čo keby si to mohla mať zajtra? Prečo sa nespýtaš tvojej mačky Lucky, čo si o tom myslí?
[...]
Totiž, keď povieš „budeme vzdorovať až do úplného konca“, znie to ako kapitulácia bohom vojny, znie to ako zrušenie vášho práva vzdorovať vojnovým štváčom na západe, ktorí vás „so statočnosťou mimo dostrel“ povzbudzujú bojovať až do posledného ukrajinského života.
[...]
Uisťujem ťa, že ak všetci naši lídri odmietnu diskusiu a nezapoja sa do diplomatických rokovaní, z Ukrajiny po skončení bojov zostane len veľmi málo. Dlhotrvajúce povstanie na Ukrajine by bolo skvelé pre gangsterských jastrabov vo Washingtone, o tom snívajú, „playing games“, to robia, „s odvahou mimo dostrelu“
Zúfalo dúfam, že váš prezident nie je gangster tiež a že urobí to, čo je najlepšie pre jeho ľud, a bude požadovať od Američanov, aby prišli k stolu. Je však smutné, že mnohí svetoví lídri sú gangstri a moje znechutenie z politických gangstrov nezačalo minulý týždeň Putinom. Bol som znechutený gangstermi Bushom a Blairom, keď vtrhli do Iraku v roku 2003, bol som a stále som znechutený gangsterskou vládou izraelskej invázie do Palestíny v roku 1967 a následnou apartheidnou okupáciou tejto krajiny, ktorá už trvá vyše päťdesiat rokov. Znechutili ma gangstri Obama a Clinton, ktorí nariaďovali nezákonné bombardovanie Líbye a Srbska NATO. Som znechutený rozsiahlym zničením Sýrie, ktoré sa začalo v roku 2011 vonkajším zasahovaním do zmeny režimu. Bol som znechutený inváziou do Libanonu v roku 1982, keď sa gangster Šimon Peres spojil s kresťanskými falangistickými milíciami pri vražde palestínskych utečencov v utečeneckých táboroch Sabra a Shatila...
Celý text v angličtine:
Hello!
My name is Alina Mitrofanova, I am 19 years old, and I live in Ukraine. Today my country is resisting the Russian invasion and the real war started by Russian president and led by Russian army.
I am a huge Pink Floyd and Roger Waters fan, and it was very important for me to hear Roger's opinion on this whole situation. It may not seem as urgent and critical, because this war can be considered as only "our problem", but unfortunately it rapidly becomes a catastrophe for the entire Europe and world.
The war started 11 days ago, and everyday we hear sirens that signalize about bombs thrown by Russian occupants. Russia's aggression destroys MY country, kills hundreds of innocent adults and children in MY country, and I cannot explain how many Ukrainians are forced to leave their homes and run away from this madness. Ukrainian Eastern cities are being destroyed by Russian army, hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating and becoming refugees, and their number is increasing every minute. I'm in pain, as many other Ukrainians, because it hurts a lot to see how MY country becomes a military target for Russia and its mad leader, who's convinced that there are "neo-Nazis", who have to be killed. It's absolutely false, because I live here, and I can tell 200% that there are no such people there!
I ask Roger to speak publicly about this war, because I still cannot understand how a person, who wrote a significant number of anti-war lyrics, hasn't spoken about tragedy yet. Furthermore, fully understand that Roger's point of view may be different, but I ask him to share his own opinion on this war. It's better than just being silent, because in this situation, silence is one of the worst enemies - it's impossible to build a wall in this situation and stay isolated from this problem.
I'm 95% sure that this letter will not be delivered to Roger directly, and it would be just a miracle if a have an answer. However, a man who speaks about risks of nuclear catastrophe and about the senselessness of the war cannot be silent in this situation. Tell the world your position!
Best regards from Ukraine,
Alina Mitrofanova
Dear Alina,
I read your letter, I feel your pain, I am disgusted by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, it is a criminal mistake in my opinion, the act of a gangster, there must be an immediate ceasefire. I regret that Western governments are fueling the fire that will destroy your beautiful country by pouring arms into Ukraine, instead of engaging in the diplomacy that will be necessary to stop the slaughter. Rest assured if all our leaders don’t turn down the rhetoric and engage in diplomatic negotiations there will be precious little of Ukraine left when the fighting is over. A long drawn out insurgency in Ukraine would be great for the gangster hawks in Washington, it’s what they dream of, “playing the game” as they do, ”with the bravery of being out of range” I desperately hope your President is not a gangster too and that he will do what is best for his people, and demand of the Americans that they come to the table. Sadly however, many world leaders are gangsters and my disgust for political gangsters did not start last week with Putin. I was disgusted by the gangsters Bush and Blair when they invaded Iraq in 2003, I was and still am disgusted by the gangster government of Israel's invasion of Palestine in 1967 and its subsequent apartheid occupation of that land which has now been going on for over fifty years. I was disgusted by the gangsters Obama and Clinton ordering NATO's illegal bombings of both Libya and Serbia. I am disgusted by the wholesale destruction of Syria initiated, as it was, in 2011 by outside interference in the cause of regime change. I was disgusted by the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 when the gangster Shimon Peres connived with the Christian Phalangist Militias in the murder of Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in the south of that country.
I feel for you Alina, and your Mum and Dad and your uncles and aunts and brothers and sisters and cousins, I lost both my father Eric Fletcher Waters and my grandfather George Henry Waters in wars fighting the Germans.
Please believe me when I tell you that I believe in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights signed in Paris 1948. I have fought as hard as I know how to foster and support human rights for all my brothers and sisters all over the world for as long as I can remember, and I support you and yours now, with all my heart.
Speaking of gangsters, I do have to take issue with you about one thing in your letter, your “200%” belief that there are no Neo-Nazis in your country is almost certainly mistaken. Both the Azov Battalions in your army, the National Militia and C14 are well known self-proclaimed Neo Nazis groups. They are gangsters too.
Also, I have not been silent on Ukraine, I wrote a piece which was distributed six days ago by Globetrotter, I shall append it to this post: https://braveneweurope.com/roger-waters-the-war-profiteering-gangsters-will-kill-us-all-unless-we-unite-against-them
What else Alina? Well, we the people, all of us in every country in the world, including Ukraine and Russia, can fight the gangsters, we can tell them we will not be part of their obscene and deadly wars to garner power and wealth at the expense of others, we can tell them that our families, in fact all families all over the world mean more to us than all the power and money in the world.
Where I live in the USA we can join Black Lives Matter or Code Pink or BDS or Veterans For Peace or myriad other anti-war, pro law, pro freedom, pro human rights organizations.
I will do anything I can to help effect the end of this awful war in your country, anything that is except wave a flag to encourage the slaughter. That is what the gangsters want, they want us to wave flags. That is how they divide and control us, by encouraging the waving of flags, to create a smokescreen of enmity to blind us to our innate capacity to empathize with one another, while they plunder and rape our fragile planet. I will do everything in my power to help bring peace back to you and your family and your beautiful country. The long drawn-out war/insurgency that Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice and the rest of the has been gangster Washington Hawks are encouraging is not in your nor Ukraine’s best interests.
I wish you well Alina.
Thank you for your letter, and if you chose to send a reply to this.
I will print that reply.
I promise.
Love
R.
PS. Have you got a dog? If so please send a pic.
I’ve heard back from Alina. Here’s her second email from Ukraine: Thursday March 10th 1.52 pm
Dear Roger
Thanks a lot for your reply!
It means a lot to me, and I really appreciate your concerns and ideas on this issue. Although there are some points where our thoughts and beliefs are different, I'm grateful for your support and your decision to share your opinion. I was surprised to see your publication on Facebook, thanks again for sharing your point of view! It's very important to speak about it, as more people may find out about this horrible war.
I mentioned that I'm a student, and I'm writing a coursework where I study and analyze the song lyrics. Besides writing general information on this topic, I study the lyrics from "The Final Cut", one of my favorite Pink Floyd albums, and one of the albums that becomes especially topical and significant for me today.
Once more, thank you very much, Roger, for your opinion! It matters a lot - not only for me, but also for many others - to know, that you don't stand away from this tragedy. It's very important for me to hear the supportive words from the musician I respect. Thanks again!
No, I don't have a dog, but I have a lovely cat. Her name is Lucky, you can find her photo attached.
Best regards,
Alina Mitrofanova
15 minutes later at 2.06pm, a postscript arrived.
P.S. Just wanted to add that democracy already failed to work in this situation. Russian army refuses to negotiate, they want Ukrainians to follow Russian ultimatums, but we will never do it, as it's our country, and we will resist until the very end.
Wow Alina! That’s some afterthought? Or is it maybe, a suggestion, made by someone looking over your shoulder? Anyway, I have a couple of questions for you. Did you mean “Diplomacy has already failed” when you wrote “Democracy has already failed”? Because in my letter to you I was advocating that your President Zelensky use “Diplomacy” to end this barbaric war. Also, when you say “We will resist until the very end” It sounds like a surrender to the gods of war, it sounds like an abrogation of your right to resist the warmongers in the west, who “with the bravery of being out of range” encourage you to fight to the last Ukrainian life. It sounds like an abandonment of your right to reach out through the smoke and rubble to the thousands of your brothers and sisters in the anti-war movement all over the world, including in Russia, where they are risking their liberty in the cause of peace. Come on Alina, help me out here. I believe you genuinely are a 19 year old Ukrainian woman who has studied my work. So you know who I am, and you know that I am here for you. So I’ll cut to the chase. Talk to me. What about a neutral Ukraine? Is being a dead young woman with a dead cat and dead friends after a fight to the death really preferable to being a live young woman in a stable peaceful neutral country like, for instance, Austria or Finland or Switzerland? Imagine living in a neutral Ukraine? Free from the avaricious corporate advances of foreign empires? What if you could have that tomorrow? Why not ask Lucky the cat what she thinks? I mean if I had a magic wand and could wave it and the invasion would end and talks would begin and you could end up a young woman citizen of a neutral Ukraine, would that work for you and Lucky? If it would, let me know, asap, because your single vote might just be the first drop of pure water in this muddy and deadly pool, and the spreading ripples from that one act of love and common sense might lap on toes of other shoes, and serve to point them in the direction of the peace we all yearn for.
Stranger things have happened.
Love
R.
**Roger Waters** zo skupiny Pink Floyd
Na rozdiel od gitaristu skupiny Davida Gilmoura, (ktorého adoptovaný syn má ženu Ukrajinku) a ktorý s kolegami najnovšie zverejnil propagandistické video na podporu Ukrajiny ( [tu](https://youtu.be/jUfVmtAvfdg), odporúčam len na lačný žalúdok) sa Waters angažuje aktívne v mierovom hnutí.
Tu je jeho korešpodencia z [FB](https://www.facebook.com/rogerwaters/videos/alina/373244207979831/) s Alinou z Ukrajiny (pravdepodobne vymyslená, ukrajinskými propagandistami vytvorená mladá žena), ktorá ho požiadala o verejnú podporu Ukrajiny:
[...]
Poď, Alina, pomôž mi. Verím, že si skutočne 19-ročná Ukrajinka, ktorá študovala moju prácu. Takže vieš, kto som, a vieš, že som tu pre teba. Takže koniec vyšetrovania. Hovor so mnou. Čo tak neutrálna Ukrajina? Je naozaj lepšie byť mŕtvou mladou ženou s mŕtvou mačkou a mŕtvymi priateľmi po boji na život a na smrť, ako byť živou mladou ženou v stabilnej pokojnej neutrálnej krajine, akou je napríklad Rakúsko, Fínsko či Švajčiarsko? Predstav si život na neutrálnej Ukrajine. Oslobodení od nenásytných firemných "výdobytkov" cudzích impérií? Čo keby si to mohla mať zajtra? Prečo sa nespýtaš tvojej mačky Lucky, čo si o tom myslí?
[...]
Totiž, keď povieš „budeme vzdorovať až do úplného konca“, znie to ako kapitulácia bohom vojny, znie to ako zrušenie vášho práva vzdorovať vojnovým štváčom na západe, ktorí vás „so statočnosťou mimo dostrel“ povzbudzujú bojovať až do posledného ukrajinského života.
[...]
Uisťujem ťa, že ak všetci naši lídri odmietnu diskusiu a nezapoja sa do diplomatických rokovaní, z Ukrajiny po skončení bojov zostane len veľmi málo. Dlhotrvajúce povstanie na Ukrajine by bolo skvelé pre gangsterských jastrabov vo Washingtone, o tom snívajú, „playing games“, to robia, „s odvahou mimo dostrelu“
Zúfalo dúfam, že váš prezident nie je gangster tiež a že urobí to, čo je najlepšie pre jeho ľud, a bude požadovať od Američanov, aby prišli k stolu. Je však smutné, že mnohí svetoví lídri sú gangstri a moje znechutenie z politických gangstrov nezačalo minulý týždeň Putinom. Bol som znechutený gangstermi Bushom a Blairom, keď vtrhli do Iraku v roku 2003, bol som a stále som znechutený gangsterskou vládou izraelskej invázie do Palestíny v roku 1967 a následnou apartheidnou okupáciou tejto krajiny, ktorá už trvá vyše päťdesiat rokov. Znechutili ma gangstri Obama a Clinton, ktorí nariaďovali nezákonné bombardovanie Líbye a Srbska NATO. Som znechutený rozsiahlym zničením Sýrie, ktoré sa začalo v roku 2011 vonkajším zasahovaním do zmeny režimu. Bol som znechutený inváziou do Libanonu v roku 1982, keď sa gangster Šimon Peres spojil s kresťanskými falangistickými milíciami pri vražde palestínskych utečencov v utečeneckých táboroch Sabra a Shatila...
Celý text v angličtine:
Hello!
My name is Alina Mitrofanova, I am 19 years old, and I live in Ukraine. Today my country is resisting the Russian invasion and the real war started by Russian president and led by Russian army.
I am a huge Pink Floyd and Roger Waters fan, and it was very important for me to hear Roger's opinion on this whole situation. It may not seem as urgent and critical, because this war can be considered as only "our problem", but unfortunately it rapidly becomes a catastrophe for the entire Europe and world.
The war started 11 days ago, and everyday we hear sirens that signalize about bombs thrown by Russian occupants. Russia's aggression destroys MY country, kills hundreds of innocent adults and children in MY country, and I cannot explain how many Ukrainians are forced to leave their homes and run away from this madness. Ukrainian Eastern cities are being destroyed by Russian army, hundreds of thousands of people are evacuating and becoming refugees, and their number is increasing every minute. I'm in pain, as many other Ukrainians, because it hurts a lot to see how MY country becomes a military target for Russia and its mad leader, who's convinced that there are "neo-Nazis", who have to be killed. It's absolutely false, because I live here, and I can tell 200% that there are no such people there!
I ask Roger to speak publicly about this war, because I still cannot understand how a person, who wrote a significant number of anti-war lyrics, hasn't spoken about tragedy yet. Furthermore, fully understand that Roger's point of view may be different, but I ask him to share his own opinion on this war. It's better than just being silent, because in this situation, silence is one of the worst enemies - it's impossible to build a wall in this situation and stay isolated from this problem.
I'm 95% sure that this letter will not be delivered to Roger directly, and it would be just a miracle if a have an answer. However, a man who speaks about risks of nuclear catastrophe and about the senselessness of the war cannot be silent in this situation. Tell the world your position!
Best regards from Ukraine,
Alina Mitrofanova
---
Dear Alina,
I read your letter, I feel your pain, I am disgusted by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, it is a criminal mistake in my opinion, the act of a gangster, there must be an immediate ceasefire. I regret that Western governments are fueling the fire that will destroy your beautiful country by pouring arms into Ukraine, instead of engaging in the diplomacy that will be necessary to stop the slaughter. Rest assured if all our leaders don’t turn down the rhetoric and engage in diplomatic negotiations there will be precious little of Ukraine left when the fighting is over. A long drawn out insurgency in Ukraine would be great for the gangster hawks in Washington, it’s what they dream of, “playing the game” as they do, ”with the bravery of being out of range” I desperately hope your President is not a gangster too and that he will do what is best for his people, and demand of the Americans that they come to the table. Sadly however, many world leaders are gangsters and my disgust for political gangsters did not start last week with Putin. I was disgusted by the gangsters Bush and Blair when they invaded Iraq in 2003, I was and still am disgusted by the gangster government of Israel's invasion of Palestine in 1967 and its subsequent apartheid occupation of that land which has now been going on for over fifty years. I was disgusted by the gangsters Obama and Clinton ordering NATO's illegal bombings of both Libya and Serbia. I am disgusted by the wholesale destruction of Syria initiated, as it was, in 2011 by outside interference in the cause of regime change. I was disgusted by the invasion of Lebanon in 1982 when the gangster Shimon Peres connived with the Christian Phalangist Militias in the murder of Palestinian refugees in Sabra and Shatila refugee camps in the south of that country.
I feel for you Alina, and your Mum and Dad and your uncles and aunts and brothers and sisters and cousins, I lost both my father Eric Fletcher Waters and my grandfather George Henry Waters in wars fighting the Germans.
Please believe me when I tell you that I believe in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights signed in Paris 1948. I have fought as hard as I know how to foster and support human rights for all my brothers and sisters all over the world for as long as I can remember, and I support you and yours now, with all my heart.
Speaking of gangsters, I do have to take issue with you about one thing in your letter, your “200%” belief that there are no Neo-Nazis in your country is almost certainly mistaken. Both the Azov Battalions in your army, the National Militia and C14 are well known self-proclaimed Neo Nazis groups. They are gangsters too.
Also, I have not been silent on Ukraine, I wrote a piece which was distributed six days ago by Globetrotter, I shall append it to this post: https://braveneweurope.com/roger-waters-the-war-profiteering-gangsters-will-kill-us-all-unless-we-unite-against-them
What else Alina? Well, we the people, all of us in every country in the world, including Ukraine and Russia, can fight the gangsters, we can tell them we will not be part of their obscene and deadly wars to garner power and wealth at the expense of others, we can tell them that our families, in fact all families all over the world mean more to us than all the power and money in the world.
Where I live in the USA we can join Black Lives Matter or Code Pink or BDS or Veterans For Peace or myriad other anti-war, pro law, pro freedom, pro human rights organizations.
I will do anything I can to help effect the end of this awful war in your country, anything that is except wave a flag to encourage the slaughter. That is what the gangsters want, they want us to wave flags. That is how they divide and control us, by encouraging the waving of flags, to create a smokescreen of enmity to blind us to our innate capacity to empathize with one another, while they plunder and rape our fragile planet. I will do everything in my power to help bring peace back to you and your family and your beautiful country. The long drawn-out war/insurgency that Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice and the rest of the has been gangster Washington Hawks are encouraging is not in your nor Ukraine’s best interests.
I wish you well Alina.
Thank you for your letter, and if you chose to send a reply to this.
I will print that reply.
I promise.
Love
R.
PS. Have you got a dog? If so please send a pic.
---
I’ve heard back from Alina. Here’s her second email from Ukraine: Thursday March 10th 1.52 pm
Dear Roger
Thanks a lot for your reply!
It means a lot to me, and I really appreciate your concerns and ideas on this issue. Although there are some points where our thoughts and beliefs are different, I'm grateful for your support and your decision to share your opinion. I was surprised to see your publication on Facebook, thanks again for sharing your point of view! It's very important to speak about it, as more people may find out about this horrible war.
I mentioned that I'm a student, and I'm writing a coursework where I study and analyze the song lyrics. Besides writing general information on this topic, I study the lyrics from "The Final Cut", one of my favorite Pink Floyd albums, and one of the albums that becomes especially topical and significant for me today.
Once more, thank you very much, Roger, for your opinion! It matters a lot - not only for me, but also for many others - to know, that you don't stand away from this tragedy. It's very important for me to hear the supportive words from the musician I respect. Thanks again!
No, I don't have a dog, but I have a lovely cat. Her name is Lucky, you can find her photo attached.
Best regards,
Alina Mitrofanova
---
15 minutes later at 2.06pm, a postscript arrived.
P.S. Just wanted to add that democracy already failed to work in this situation. Russian army refuses to negotiate, they want Ukrainians to follow Russian ultimatums, but we will never do it, as it's our country, and we will resist until the very end.
---
Wow Alina! That’s some afterthought? Or is it maybe, a suggestion, made by someone looking over your shoulder? Anyway, I have a couple of questions for you. Did you mean “Diplomacy has already failed” when you wrote “Democracy has already failed”? Because in my letter to you I was advocating that your President Zelensky use “Diplomacy” to end this barbaric war. Also, when you say “We will resist until the very end” It sounds like a surrender to the gods of war, it sounds like an abrogation of your right to resist the warmongers in the west, who “with the bravery of being out of range” encourage you to fight to the last Ukrainian life. It sounds like an abandonment of your right to reach out through the smoke and rubble to the thousands of your brothers and sisters in the anti-war movement all over the world, including in Russia, where they are risking their liberty in the cause of peace. Come on Alina, help me out here. I believe you genuinely are a 19 year old Ukrainian woman who has studied my work. So you know who I am, and you know that I am here for you. So I’ll cut to the chase. Talk to me. What about a neutral Ukraine? Is being a dead young woman with a dead cat and dead friends after a fight to the death really preferable to being a live young woman in a stable peaceful neutral country like, for instance, Austria or Finland or Switzerland? Imagine living in a neutral Ukraine? Free from the avaricious corporate advances of foreign empires? What if you could have that tomorrow? Why not ask Lucky the cat what she thinks? I mean if I had a magic wand and could wave it and the invasion would end and talks would begin and you could end up a young woman citizen of a neutral Ukraine, would that work for you and Lucky? If it would, let me know, asap, because your single vote might just be the first drop of pure water in this muddy and deadly pool, and the spreading ripples from that one act of love and common sense might lap on toes of other shoes, and serve to point them in the direction of the peace we all yearn for.
Stranger things have happened.
Love
R.
Upravené 10. 4. 2022 o 18:02